Folks Still Question 911, Korea Talking to each other and Wayne Jacobsen talks his book "Beyond Sundays"

Vince Coakley Podcast
Friday, April 20th

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From the heart of the Carolina. Bringing the DC fans into focus the lens so liberty. This is no good Stokley radio program. I guess Friday morning welcome the broadcast good to be back where view. And that's the big story going on today in some circles. He release of the games Komi memos. I'm in serious folks I do not care. We talk about that if you like to you. That. I'm I'm really just kind of sick for the soul circus. That's really what it is a circus. Any case. CNN reporting these memos revealed trumps attempts to influence do you Russia pro. Trump tweeting that Kobe memos clearly showed no obstruction and no collusion. Mean seriously folks. Can we just ignore all of this and just. Let these people run after mounts. About nothing because so far that's all there is nothing to run a big zero. But nonetheless. I mean you continue when it's whatever it's doing. Let's talk abouts some potentially good news developing. NBC reporting. North Korea might be willing to accept complete denuclearization. Without conditions. That's a big deal. I think that's a big story much bigger story. They're talking about this ongoing nonsense. With Carly. Any case. North Korea's express his commitment to complete denuclearization. Of the Korean Peninsula and is not seeking conditions. This is the account from the South Korean president. Woon Jae an who said. Let's United States. Vowed to maintain maximum pressure. On North Korean. So the big picture agreements about denuclearization. Establishing a peace regime and normalization of relations between the two Koreas in the United States should not be difficult to reach. Through summits between the north and south in between the north and the United States. I am going to I'm not gonna make a prediction. But I am going to say I think there's the potential for something huge. Primary Borough that word. Something huge developing out of this. The leader of South Korea said he doesn't think in denuclearization. As different meaning. Yourself in North Korea. Which is a good thing is you know sometimes definitions can be a problem. He says the north. Is expressing the will to completely do that. They've not attached any conditions. That the US cannot accept my through withdrawal of American troops from South Korea. All they're talking about as the end of hostile policies against North Korea. Followed by a guarantee of security. Don't canal North Korea has been defending its nuclear and missile programs. This is generally something that United States is being concerned about this is defiance of UN Security Council resolutions. So this is a world issue by the way we have. 28500. Troops in South Korea. This is a legacy of the Korean War yesterday. You remember we talked about this the fact. That the war itself is not officially over or you've got is a truce. And it's quite possible one of the outcomes of this. Is that we will. End up actually having a formal end to this state of war between the two countries. Imagine the possibility of getting rid of that demilitarized zone. That would be profoundly historic this U it's about legacies. This could be. A huge piece without trump legacy. And it could develop in a matter of weeks. And again. This goes back to the suggestion that's been made by many. Vets these policies that have been pursued by previous administrations. They were doomed to fail. Most of the time all they did. Is they've facilitated pandering. And trying to bribe the north Koreans. Never worked. We share with you the audio you remember the audio we played of Bill Clinton. Posting about this deal that have been made. The deal that was absolutely worthless. Because it was not followed. By the north Koreans. Let me get your thoughts on. This potentially historic event that had to take place in a matter of weeks how optimistic are you. The start of the call in rusty. A good morning welcome to the broadcast. Our parents are a battle and fight on this thing orient our sport I was talking the veteran staff a second after a religion in Korea. For over two year. Yeah we would get he would tell summer. The first thing that the American people is that it you're less apt that they've editorialized. That I do not think the same way we did it. This somebody's gonna get upset descended on the end racist it's not racist that's culture. You threatened Kim Jong and he threatens. And that's all that built whatever there. That's all George W. Bush ever did or there's too small George H. W. Bush ever. It's all bought whatever they say Latin North Korea. The Kim family front we have also long threw just sought an hour's Brandt son Kim Jong-Il. Water. Should be recognized. As a world leader. On a par. Where the United States president. And looks like they're about to give it. What Donald Trott said hey let's talk about the fact the first American president better approach North Korea. Where their leader as look bad as being an equal to the leader of South Korea. These people get when they negotiate its hand and jaw. Then north Koreans coming and they won't change the trainer. So that prayer negotiator chairs are where your four or just hire all the war in the South Korea negotiators. Clock. So that when they look at them bailout bill off. If the South Korea and changed the chair back the North Korea's. What cancel the meeting. The north Koreans can't support of all out war so what that they don't. They go to what they can't afford and that's nuclear. Nestled bet they'll have to reach the United States they just after reached the medal before that. So what is Cisco from here are you optimistic this is about to get result. Are now because when the rain leaders. And probably will be more power pop our ball like a leader for charter of the Japanese will be there because I have sector workers the Koreans. There on United States and both Koreans. Will sit down together. And it's not going to be overnight. But just the fact that that little bit yet it's allowed the sit at a table. Where. The big leaders here at a specific plan or nature. And it says look I'll give well aren't you you know. North Korea walked the scene at the table but give a lecture. They're people are sparked. You think that's always looking for and looks like he's about to get that so quick. The. Saying that the killed apparently has ever worn it. Gives recognition. To follow their retreat. Yep and so there's no question they're getting that now rusty appreciate your call and and we also appreciate your service to the country. Still to come. We'll talk about the Muller probe. A new development Rudy Giuliani in during the picture stimulus. This is still Vince Coakley radio program. 90 minutes after 10 o'clock Vince Coakley radio program over on the text line. Let's start here. Please god no more home. With a up up up up up. We also have this Gerald out of confidence. In smaller has his head between stormy Daniels breast looking for Russian collusion. And that's uninteresting place to look. It's called me is. But I feel the beast. Deeper the red tees as well that is for Michelle. On the North Korea issue they have nothing to gain by complying with America especially after trump threatened to new North Korea. Also this of North Korea would denuclearization. Would present trumped its credit or with a liberal media try to fabricate more lies. And this the UN will knots. They have never intervened in wrongdoing had don't hold your breath. Trump's legacy he has solidified as failure. Really. Trump could solve world hunger provide clean water every corner of the world and blasting him for using orange haired guy that might have been tested on animals. Also this this is just the start of great things struggle do watch and hold on. Cuba is next. Also this Vince I don't trust the rocket man. Who needs a child booster seats. Like the guy who rents FaceBook and as for Michelle. But this perspective. I do remain hopeful about North Korea for remember. Doing an agreement in principle is easy parred the tough part is actually implementing an agreement the north says they might give up their nukes. That makes me. Very very skeptical. And you would not be alone. I think this is another example. Of going back to the Ronald Reagan school diplomacy. Or what he said about the Soviets. Trust. But verify. Absolutely important closer to home today. We have vice president pants here in the Carolinas I understand he is taking part of fund raiser in Greensboro. At this moment for my friend Mark Walker. That is taking place now later on. The vice president will come to Charlotte for fund raiser. For the national GOP. And for president Donald Trump's reelection campaign. More than 700 people expect to hear Palin speak after a panel discussion featuring. Senator Thom Tillis. US representative Robert passenger and former new core CEO Dan. Demeco. This event sponsored by approach from a group called America first policies. So. This is. What is taking place today with vice president schedule right here in North Carolina. Pence the other GOP officials are expected to about the effect of the one point five trillion dollar tax cuts. And how that's impacting North Carolina families. So erupt we won't follow those developments as well. As they continue their journey throughout the state. I wanted to tell you about something as well. That's doesn't seem to be getting attention you're the discussion we had several years ago. About who controls our ports. Well we have a new story that is developing this time in Delaware. Again the controversy. Relates to. Potential. Foreign control of import another way. We will delve into that it's. A little bit later on as we continue to broadcast right now 24 minutes after 10 o'clock it's got to Robert in rock kill. So yes sir. And then. Yeah I'm but I hate you earned it ex governor order real compliant about that little relating. You know. There was still trying to hit them building in New York. There's a world record center. And that third building that held down didn't have a plane that hit it. So. Maybe you've got a point there. So you have some us suspicion that the nine elevenths story may now be genuine. I'll definitely it was it was real it happened a lot of people back but our government don't care how many people I. Today. As long as they can get what they want and what is that exactly. Total control over the American people. OK. So let's break it. They can't they haven't been able to write. Out a budget for the last ten years. But in three months. They had did. I don't know what the Patriot Act nine. There at all prepared report when you. Okay. Well I appreciate your call Robertson by the way of those who you kind of curious about this. Speaking reference to a City Council person in Charlotte to. Basically suggested to their. Our problems. Which he. Popularly accepted idea of what happened on 9/11. And it's there's been a lot of controversy over the question of you know how appropriate is this for a city official to make these kinds of comments. And should. Their concerns of how this is reflecting on the city. Doris is just reflecting on the person. Any idea this lady may be kind of offer rocker. Lets. The subject of debate now so where this goes who knows. We've not spent much time talking about each year. Hey I just you know where I am on these theories. Ryan would like to rate weigh in on this as well a lot of right kill good morning Ryan. I hate that I am not trying to raise your blood pressure to bear it's tough. I don't drink coffee by the way but you legally and pose the question perfect. Not I've been looking at this thing I know this poker fossil wood that nine elevenths saying is that. Crop without me because of the European carmakers that are saying well the powers should go like that that are better. You know what little whenever I mean I can't contribute to real world after the builder Micah. But here's my question and this is this is what keeps me up indictments for what you think about it or guys. What happened to building seven. Okay oh. Building seven was not hit by applying myself straight arrow. What happened to building seven. Yeah so what's your theory. And where are. Group at this point it's like play my theory that I'd there's nothing uniform because. I mean it's it's so crazy thing you can go back and look at the main break look at the Lusitania. Look at the golf with current. Break out like all the and other situations where we are not immune to hurt and I know how much you hate it. But where. He blank date has something to manipulate. You can't get people in you war and that's exactly what happened after the powered cell. We not that we would topple your government. You know it's just there have been saying you know these European to like Oreo impossible what what the American people say about what happened could not that. And that it would I would go back to the same thing what have the building's seventh because you can look at building all over the world America got the highrise power and Great Britain like three months ago. They burn for days. They control. And apparently even though built plane hit building seven go to court that article regarding it felt like it was a mile out there have been there. I think your question so but but the here's the other question what happened to the other buildings. Well down from what I've seen in the declaration it seems probable to me that what the building. You have to understand why the World Trade Center. Like how it differs only got twenty seconds by the way it's gonna be exactly right way to WT he set up airport with a hook out of the outsiders. This is superstructure could happen it will want court battle that would it would witnessed that or cut the budget that's possible and it's just an enemy Israel. All right 29 minutes after 10 o'clock. 36 minutes after 10 o'clock to Vince took the radio program at this heads up just few minutes. Our ongoing series of our good friend Wayne Jacobson who's going to. Tell us about a quest that he's on he's looking for 35 million people are you on that list are you one of those 35 million you'll find out in just few minutes. As we continue when our conversation which somehow hole. Swerved into some comments. Made by a Charlotte City Council person abouts. 9/11. And we get entrenched and Carlson response Brian knows wanting to a jump in on this out of Monroe good morning Brian. And Lou hello Brian. Going once. Going twice. To. Adios Brian I guess we'll try again nudge glad to Tim. Hey Ryan. Older that's weird. I think it'd create ended that was pretty good that was pretty yes you got me. Already answered. Put it that stem our look at the calendar in last week we're at thirteen. Or you don't hear George nor thought. If I pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop up. Conspiracy theory thing is crazy. Write a Smart guy and I get that put those jets. Paul whose power forward jet fuel that superheated at fire. Important system burning building. It was Pixar really cute it he's a torch to melt this deal that brought that those powers not let anyone around here. It took three planes theory some box cutters they had every angle a ticket because says protect. The American public other and put the worn down the Pennsylvania there. We're. It's it's it's disturbing that people can look at this and think. It's a conspiracy nature government coming in Q there is. Now having said that having said that Tim. Is it out of the question. That the government cool would or could do something like that. I really don't think bit it could get enough people to collude together that list government. To rigidity at. You think they would be selling coveted big city would they couldn't even pull the south as I look at a quite a bit lower. Are all pretty broad. I'd love. That is great thanks for your call their tip. Oh my goodness yeah we were revived. And uninteresting things corrected I think what what are we ventured down to our state studio and our good friend lines though. Take a look at the date in history. And then we can kind of region remain in the so where were you on 9/11 lines so. I was on the air okay how great that's fair enough. This by the way is the twentieth day of April. We go back to 1840. Line. We had the publication of murder in rue morgue. Who. Was the out writer of that particular detective story. And murder in the rue morgue I give you a hint if you like Glenn. This new American writer I believe so reds three news. And around you are correct speed oh my first line I then knew it would be a kind of card. Right. The first baseball game in 1926 is played. Heads we demand part. Where is that located it. I can give you a heads yeah consumed her. He it is alive and tried to decide which one of these which she is not so obvious oh my goodness what do they do with this. Let's just say. Man I. Con you've got to. I was only two it was cubs' park and there was Wrigley Field either one of those clues would've given that completely away. And we have another tragic day that occurred 1999. The twentieth. Of April 1999. ANC. They are students today protesting. As it's. Come on we continue to have. The events happening at schools the shootings this one column lines or nice list included you're absolutely. Correct. Their nation wide school walk outs taking place as we speak to protest gun violence. What are your plans for the weekend by the way Atlanta anything exciting. Just could do most amazing weekend show ever call the upstate pulse. And for those of you some people heard of that then. Yes they have and and just to give people a heads up I would encourage you listen especially those who you were in our upstate audience. Listen to the upstate pulse. Saturdays nine to seven to 9 PM. 163 WR DC Iraq. Have a great time and thank you for the plug always appreciated that glad to do it led to do it. Love Bryant's bottom. How do you us as we continue our conversation and we were tonight oh my goodness there's still hear people wanting to talk about us. Don't let end. That would play a lot let's go out to Jay and Matthews good morning. I say goalie outlaws they use Google plane crashes. Into our little world and see debris everywhere. You look at that plane crash in Pennsylvania. There's no debris. Is just a hole in the ground. So you know. Why is why is that surprising Jake. The things going what 3400. Miles an hour straight down. It's just gonna burrow hole into the ground. Usually when there's a crash actually they're all on fast. But only if there's no OJ didn't teams are laying around closely. There's no kill gleaned. There wouldn't be anything intact. Same kind of problem there same kind of problem there with the valujet when that they went down. It went down straight down into the swamp. So. I have pieces are so small. The passport there. Our guys. Everything is small it is small. Let's go to Beverly in Charlotte good morning. I sat there are right I do not think I'm a big believer in that PM may see. Canada as Cheney in our armed. Not perfect here let him about all the more profit role overseeing made billions. Lot of people made money earned on nine elevenths. Can people really want to follow all the truth sanction that goes through what really happened. You learn that just put that they are searching him. There's certain information bear arms. People that want to profit from war. And you believe they asked if I'm yeah former single car have the property from three months. You know here and there's barbecued. No way does. So building fell like like what they did say cap and now they fell within a couple of hours with each other. War war. War and probably an inside job. Alrighty. Beverly. Thank you very much for your call. And I'm as shocked as I am they're actually more calls hold. We're going to indulge this for a little while just four bitch. And have these conversations I and I don't mind listening. I I don't mind at all and for the record yes I read a lot of these things several years ago. But we'll consider your thoughts. Right here. It's too fortified. This is still Vince Coakley radio program. 1049 out of its trophy radio program for some decent. We have. Really opened up well I didn't open this up a caller started talking about this thing that so I think it's a wonder may fields that are named news. Made some conspiracy comment about nine elevenths and squid caller brought this up and all of a sudden the flood gates have opened up people wanting to talk about this. I'm just telling a limited amount of time. And who will give you an opportunity. To go into this. Here's the texture saying this it's very said there are so many people willing to believe our own government would plot against us and as these people. Then have given us Donald Trump we know we're president puts us on a moral equivalency with Russia and tells us. They're good people on both sides in Charlottesville. Don't fight the patent seem category this is this is an category all its own just saying that. Let's god to spare and I believe it is in clover or good morning. I event are you this morning doing Welsh yeah moments elect a black and the world was different spin on live. I'm. First of all you have to ask yourself question people in the government did this you have to ask what the motives are behind them doing this or at least knowing in advance. Someone may need some things that happened. On 9/11 other Patriot Act. A dome and made a mark for all of their all of our government or don't airline. They're up by the court. Well all basically that we allowed an afraid to monitor our Internet communications. To protect us from the Whitaker communicate. So the government has gained a whole lot of power. But they didn't have reportedly wouldn't have put up with. Since 9/11 happened. Okay. But it still doesn't answer the question how you could engineer all of those events. Well yes or you know you're you're you're right you're right but then I had a friend until late he says where they are saying. That the government has done that we all nude. We would be shot and it's a shame that people actually think that their paper in our own government could be better or finding out now. We'll go investigations are going all of almost up their parliament strikes and it got good development are a bit like the fundamental transformational America. We almost have part of our own government that is working. All out further old legit and it the American people and most important thing but I but what but what but it apps are better a lot of our friends this question. If you found that some are that the government did know at least intimately involved in it would shock and our people right now. Yeah there is there's no question that there is C. Profound suspicion of government and rightfully so I I do appreciate your call by the way one of the things that concerns me and I keep coming back to this. In all the discussion about the deep stage. Where are the people who were calling for the dismantling. Of the deep state where our day. You know and I'm one of the things it frustrates me about all the conspiracy talk. I don't see the advocacy. I don't see the marchers. I don't see the demands. That this is simplest thing. If it's like people just wanna sit around and talk and complain. Relevant to something about it. That's one of mysteries for me. Bob in Harrisburg good morning. Bob are you there. Who doubled the budget facts about that number one you have 300 dollar airplane or about 300 miles an hour when I hit that building at Tora. Terrible terrible structural damage. I'm also an engineer and I had some structural engineering my background. In our prayers are still did not melt. I was still loses about half of its stripes are about 800 degrees set fire daily burned around 15100 so you talk about 89% of the steel capacity to hold below the now she's first sub structure started to fall like another band that I like somebody earlier said. I mean when I start the polish arts bank and album has a tremendous amount of momentum. Huge force. So I'm is that just collapse every elderly structure went down Golota got here earlier and earlier and of course got larger and larger so that's what took him out. Today it's not complicated at all and you've describe the engineering aspect to this appreciate that Bob by the way and I remember reading this several years ago when this came out. There have been a number of reports on this but even as recent as last year popular mechanics did something on this. In here's what they should conspiracy theorists have long claimed explosives. Down World Trade Center seven north of the Twin Towers. The longer way to report from the National Institute of Standards and Technology. Conclusively rebuts those claims fire alone brought down the building. Now they cited in this report thermal expansion of key structural members as the corporate. Report also raises concerns other large buildings. Might be more vulnerable to fire induced structural failure than previously. Thought. This is not that complicated especially would consider. That's World Trade Center seven. Was in the pokes close proximity of the other buildings. Is that it's. Far fetched for me to think that it will be affected. Not in the least bit. Not in the least bit it's I think John you will be the last caller on this subject get out of Fort Mill good morning. Good morning again I'm just wanted to point out to you that certain. Your creative listeners are calling him because it's 420. Understandably so. Have a great week and we'll thank you very much for your call. You know just for the fun of it Doug or give you thirty seconds is well taken away. OK I appreciate that back in the mid 1990s I was reading a magazine was getting my car fixed. And they were talking about in 1995 and as the article. Then after the first attacks 1993. That those buildings were wired cases happen again they didn't want the tipping over taking out twelve blocks. And several 100000 people actually wired them with explosives ahead of time to come down their own footprint to minimize that. I have no doubt the claims to those towers but I do think they were taken down to minimize the casualties and that would explain. Tower seven coming out. So you think this was a preventive measure. Exactly. Not a conspiracy. On the Internet for that magazine article I cannot find it. We'll have to read that sounds very interest in the coming up faith focus Friday weighing Jacobson looking for 35. Million people are you one of them. Promoting American. I was elected to represent the citizens of Harris exposing real. Saturation there are too many guns on the street we lose 93. Million Americans today gun battle. Loony left and when Donald Trump says civil war. World well we're gonna negotiate a better deal for me that's like OJ Simpson saying don't rock find the real. Are over to the broadcast. We're coming down to first. For Howard over two of the broadcast this. Marie believes in German there's a book that I highly highly recommend. In fact I think it's one of the best has been written on this subject in the past few years it's called beyond Sunday's. Why those who were done with the religious institutions can be a blessing for the church. I want to turn to. Attention to chapter five. I'm looking for 35. Million people I wanna share accuse the words communicate in the first part of the show after. The author says nothing breaks my heart more than meeting someone who invested years of their life and religious service and for some reason. Never discovered how real god is and how deeply he loves them. According to church refugees 35. Million Americans left their religious institution. And abandon their belief in god at the same time think about that 35 million people. I'm fine with the leaving religious institutions can often impede our spiritual growth rather than encourage it but my heart breaks. For those who left not knowing it got worse flooding. This means despite all the meetings they attended prayers they offered good deeds they did they never came face to face with the most endearing presence in the universe. They've never recognized his voice wooing them or recognize his hand at work in their lives in the end. The church and its activities. With a guy they knew and somehow they missed a real one those the words. Can drive Wayne Jacobson good friend of mine who joined suspect in the broadcast welcome backs her. You brought I don't do very well very well ends this chapters I've looked at this again. Just really packs a punch and I know exactly which are after here. You're looking for the hearts of those 35 million people. And you'd say you'd like to sit down have a conversation with them so. Tell us what that would look like. Yeah I would my heart goes out of those two you know for whatever reason and being connected but eighty church for a significant period time. Believe that this solution that god might not exist at all and to sit down and help them separate between. How the polar religious institution they're part of may have figured guys it's it's easy for religious leaders. Picture god is that. Angry pirate this new demand being exacting taskmaster who want people jump through all these groups and even and then the people I meet people who have jumped through all those troops you've done everything they were told. And yet still felt empty inside don't didn't feel like all for all the work they did they connected with a god who. Is that is the biggest focus of my life as an outfits and no god as a pro group in the universe not just the end there's some theological construct. I wanna go to as many of them these as we can and because you address some of the issues and what people have often experienced. Religious obligation. And affected it's a conformity based system that operates by fear and manipulation. Ends this is were so many people missed the love of god in the process. Yes Jesus kind of that I think the whole coordinate incarnation was that conformity based law based living. Doesn't connect is what got it all results it all depends on our performance rather than on the generosity and love of god. So more hopes hoops to jump through thinking we're gonna earn that in some white. The more disillusioned we've become because we don't earn the love of god it's two guests that he not sister received freely. There's also a need to separate the failures of religion and religious leaders from the reality of god this can be such a stumbling block. It Campbell would look at Jesus who did the same thing bit me if you can look at affairs people even say you know do what they say what they say not bad but don't look like Palin don't do what they do. We've got a separate between those who claim to speak for god especially when their salary or ego or success may depend on you doing what they say. Separate that's from Luke got really is and how he wants that's what UN interest do you shoot through it like in transformed you from what then. And if we don't do that and we and we good project god on the motives and sometimes actions of our religious leaders. We are gonna leave disillusioned that's no kind of got I'd wanna follow. And it was kind of following from that. You've encouraged people to consider the possibility you were given the disfigured. View of god especially if you see him as an angry tyrant. One ring to rule the world through terror you know in this discos back to the feared team again. Persona people that are just afraid I'm gonna screw up and I'm gonna get thrown in the hell. It doesn't multiple sermons comparable testament passages where. But the point of Jesus coming was to tell the religious leaders those who were interpreting the Bible the most. Disciplined way back when he came you miss it you throw all the stories Cuba unpacked. You mystery of god really did you just figured him to promote fear in people. Instead of saying bit even in the Oca his loving kindness is better life such patient extend generation after generation. Got to pick kind and gracious god Oki doesn't are being in history sometimes stick to make changes that need to be made to preserve that the redemption. Of these people. But he's not he's not it would make the conclusion that because god intervenes at times and traumatic way they're god that this thing retirement and Jesus showed that he wasn't bad at all he loved us. It was going to find it. We're talking with Wayne Jacobson author of beyond Sunday's why those were done with religious institutions can be a blessing for the church. The other part of this in and this has been so important for me to keep coming back to this. Is how cut is reaching out to all of us in trying to speak to us and very often it's that still small voice. And sometimes you've got to get away from the religious noise to be able to hear that right. You do especially that religious noisy broad in fear or guilt in your heart all those two things will keep you from recognizing the way. They got nudging himself in your life every day whether Europe follow worst is yet or not god want to make himself known to us they're waiting Pete does that little spot in the back of our mind may be some experience. So more somebody gives us. And we may god making himself known because we thought the dog will be confined limits in the Bible or in of the church building or some religious leader. God it's the one who wants to interact with each of us and that's what Paul wanted to also didn't want our fate could rest on men's wisdom. But I want to rest on a bit the power of god they got was real and the lie and was reaching out to connect with a I predict that the this beard like 87%. Of Americans will say that they had a transcendent moment a moment. Where they knew they weren't alone in the universe something bigger than memos there. And that's god making himself known and I think look Florida they'll find him. One of the things you touch and we only about a minute lasted about a where you're able to hold through a through commercial break because I what does I don't wanna rushed through the last thing which you cover here. Chart I won't but I wanna touched on this briefly in the in this one minute we have left in the segment. How often the people think god is behind the latest natural disaster your best friend dyeing your financial difficulties or whatever disappointment you haven't life. And and again this gets tied to behavior people think god is punishing them in some way. Or someone else. According God's gift I mean part of the universe and a big big credit all the broken that. Just somehow god activity and we and we use language like that you know god took them to a better place god. We comfort people with the wrong stuff and that this figures got in the process. I I've meet so many people who've abandoned guide. Because they felt like all he was was this guy was killing their friends and sending hurricanes and as New Orleans and do most kindest things and as long as we miss understand who god is. We will find him in here. You're absolutely right we're talking with a Wayne Jacobson author of beyond Sundays and we will into our conversation with him on the other side of the break. 1119 events took the radio program been talked with Wayne Jacobson his great book called beyond Sunday's. He starts off talking about factor of 35 million people 35 million people. Who Natalie left the church and they've abandoned their belief in god seen time and Wayne would like to sit down and talk of those folks we've discussed a number of issues that he'd like to address. But I didn't wanna rush through the very last one which is really the most important one and that is what you say to that person you know he. They're there in these categories. They've been following the religious obligation they've seen the failure of religion. They try to had a disfigured view of god. Ends they blamed god for these natural disasters or something that's happened to them a tragedy whatever. We're just say to that person you know. They've left religious practice. But time at the same time you want them to be open to what. I'm I'm but salmon that place how do I find god in the midst of all of these things in the confusion. That has been raining down on me the past few years. He has a lot of books being written these days about people who who lost their sight and I've had an opportunity to sit down with a number of folks. Who who has The Who grew up in an environment they they felt like they had old rules they were jumping through the hoops they were trying hard. And the harder they tried him cure they guy and I think it's just a misunderstanding. Of how it is the human heart grossed guy. We don't learn a bunch of facts about him and apply that to our lives god wants to reveal himself to us so I usually tell people want to start here were you ask god. Purdue up you have you're skeptical about what I'm saying about him asking him to say god if you're below in the way Wayne just described you to me. What you show up some. And Google is good at that implements it could begin there are certainly asking him and begin to look in your life. For evidence of God's fingerprints how he how he touching how are you reaching out you how he's making a glut now. It's rarely the way we want him Q&A lot of people got it you're real you're assured following star crossed the dire moved back over there or. Do some outrageous external thing. But god began to just nudge hours nudge our lives in the is reality if that love and that awareness. That Israel and we have little moments. We just usually packed them away and get so involved in light as it comes at a its responsibility. Challenges. We don't cultivate. That's part of our heart that can recognize him and know him and embrace him so I'd be able to act and hang out with somebody who knows yeah. Don't let them become your new group just just watch how they live their life and learn to live your life that way and I mean jumping through religious oops I mean the lack a thing into the reality. That the creator of the universe knows you love you and wants to have a relationship with the U. And Wayne leads conversations like this all the time just meeting people all over the world and I've taken part in some of those it's been very enjoyable very much a blessing the works called beyond Sunday swipe those who were done with the religious institutions can be a blessing from the church. You know where can people learn more about you and what you're doing with your ministry sir. Yet they can kinda like Listerine dot org is my home what site that all my book and it links and the like kept moving but I do like during dot org and. Terrific terrific point Jacobson great to talk with you again brother in god bless him credit event or on. Tony 3 minutes after 11 o'clock love to get your thoughts what's your perspective. Is this something that you can identify with in some way you've you've just experienced the emptiness of just going through the motions and being in the system and maybe you've gotten the point you just got tired of and just checked out. Completely. Decided to move fine. Texture here says he's not a tyrant referring to god he's a loving father who gives instruction to his children for a reason for their lives to reset for our from the world NB blessed. Guilt that leads to true repentance is a good thing. Promised people continue to live in San and others telling them not to feel guilty. He loves and expects us to Obey him. Never texture saying Wayne is part of what's wrong with the church. I don't go listen to someone else now. Really. And I love you already then. The defendant. Puncher Colin tell us what it is exactly was so awful. About what waned communicated I'd love to hear it I would absolutely love to hear. And I'm likely to hear words like heresy whatever it is just bring it on. I wanna hear. I think one of the most profound things. But I have learned and experienced in. Normally just by some of the things the journey have been on the last few years. Outside religious systems. And I've got a friend who's going through this right now. Just had a conversation with him this morning. And it's the wisdom in the insight. That's Michelle Mann has placing young it's just a little bit younger than me know this kid ever since high school. And it's. It's it's said to me it really is the people around him who are. Just eaten up with religious obligation and they want him to be. In bondage to that is well. It is sad he's recognized it and wants no part of this. But. At the same time he's got people were pulling on his heels basically saying. Hey you need to keep doing this with us. There's no obligation and any of this stuff. I love relationship is not one minister who by obligation. And if we've if we're having to obligate people. To do something. We really need to take a look at and ask ourselves the question. Why do you have to obligate people. To participate in something that is life bearing. Truth is you don't. Something in his life bearing will speak for itself there will be a natural attraction. In people will not want to be separated from that. But we usually have to be obligated to do things. That are unpleasant. He's the kind of questions set. IE fixed for quite some time. And there was this nagging sense in my heart I knew something was not right and for a long time. Are allowed to guilt or keep me. In the box. Any case. GM out of Morse spill got about a minute and a half for so. They advance lug hill thanks for having me on. I don't think it's a matter given up a matter of just waiting for the inevitable. The day of the white or. And I think we're just being Satan strong move to rarely take over the you know the earth. And I would encourage people to read the last letter of Jude with just the last letter before revelations. That just the page and a half. And is this a low interest injury. And now it's not given up it's just inevitable. I think it's safe you know the big band Planned Parenthood. We're just seeing that move. Anyway it's on to share that with it. Our rights I appreciate your brother gene and it I think part of what genes for in his search is so much darkness out there that can be very intimidating. A lot of people it can be very. How overwhelming. And people feel like you know there there's so much darkness out there that. In a highway resist that how do right resist that. Also detect signs squeaky wheel gets the grease gun once our knowledge meant I totally agree with everything. Being communicated great show. Notre texture saying Jesus himself said do not look for me in a building brick and stone. I want to beat there that's very good it's not about a place not about an events. It's about a relationship that transcends all of those things where the woman at the well. You know wasn't about hey just go down to that place or go to this temple. It was abouts and experiencing him in spirit and in truth. That's what it's about. Strongly encourage you read this. Beyond Sunday's Wayne Jacobson will continue our series and conversations within. In the coming weeks break here on the broadcast coming up more of the news of the day right here. 36 minutes after 11 o'clock I'm Vince took the radio program wanna tell you about this before we go to more of your calls. It. The sword desperate meaning anything to you. Democratic parties filed a lawsuit alleging Russia the trump campaign and WikiLeaks. Conspired. To disrupt the 2016. Campaign. This is a multi million dollar lawsuit. With these parties that I mention names. And each day contend this is what told that the election to Donald Trump. The complaint was filed in federal district court in Manhattan. Alleges that top trend trump campaign officials conspired with a Russian government and its military spy agency to hurt democratic presidential nominee Hillary Clinton. And help trumped by acting the computer networks of the Democratic Party. And disseminating stolen material found there. The DNC chairman Tom Perez said this in a statement during the tree sixteen presidential campaign Russia launched an all out assault on our democracy. And it found a willing and active partner in Donald Trump's campaign. This constituted an act of unprecedented detract jury. The campaign of a nominee for president the United States in league with a hostile foreign power. To bolster its own chance to win the presidency. Goodness. What a bunch or clap trap. These morons. You know. I hear you brought Imus back in Delaware. While always there this was 7982. It was during that time they legally got rid of the whipping post though this has not been used in years but they can get rid of it formally. I think got to bring it back. For politicians. And political hacks for stupidity. That I ought to be the penalty. Thank goodness. Let's try to Phillip and Fort Mill good morning and welcome. And I think wanted to. Yes sir. And while I wanted to call and after hearing are gonna puke playing wanted it to a must articulate is actually thought outlook on the world to kind of help out those beliefs. Please share. And though what do want to share it is. Like it and most young man going picture her any good at turtle time goes your current state to go and edgy girl kind of wonder why might go under the that application. Not I was in my younger years at bio channel and tribulations were stopped automatically question. And I didn't question that I exist that we're trying to understand why things were happening. Found. And that leads me to learn I am today where. I had that question. Why is what does that do want me what is the client. And I realize with the birth of my son. He did that because I went boy. And my oldest son by two minutes as we quote joke. There's one point an actress says that he's been baptized because he had a lot of complications that are everything going wrong possible we you know you can make it. Oh we pray. We pray and you know what to this day. He's almost four years old he's picking got a lot of think against them but he's a happy go lucky kid even then it's going to be reminded me all day or video. God love him but in the idea to ask but I had the courage to keep on going. And he's crew ready to out there and his club enjoyed stretch there one out or agree with not fear. But god love this is spread and now I'm going to church every week but we share as well that one out that what he touches. Hewlett gloves so it is a wonderful story when the share with the. Well I think Q for sharing that I appreciate your call Philip. I know how important especially as a parent. You knew she. Would act on behalf of your children it is it is absolutely it's such a blessing such a blessing. Tony minutes before the noon hour some of the other things making news. This one kind of surprised me because I'm not heard any media coverage of the story. You may be familiar with Duncan Hunter. California representative. Chairman of the house subcommittee on Coast Guard and maritime transportation. He is very very concerned about something so much so he's written to the president. To block the state of Delaware from leasing the port of Wilmington. To a middle eastern company. Only bio weapons research chief who worked for Saddam Hussein. I know this sounds kinda crazy doesn't it but it's. Actually happening. Here is the accounts that was actually given and John and I think you have this from are you ready are for Brady Forrest. From Patrick trolley from big league politics he gives us some description. Of who we would be potentially dealing with with the sports. If this deal is allowed to go through a listen up. The end legal retainer happens to be owned by the to Favre others acting under the supervision. Of their father doctor amid too far. Who according to CIA documents was in the lead science test. When Saddam Hussein's weapons of mass destruction research program. In the 1980s and 1990s. After a major far according to CIA documents is credited with creating the beach ball he miniaturized nuclear weapon. And Kim Jong Hoon has expressed interest in obtaining. This company goaltender has three deals with the Russians including but the Russian state owned company that exports. Vladimir Putin's club okay missile launcher. In the missile launch pads as well. This. Is true. The Delaware general assembly. He is looking to finalize a lease which. The company golf trainer. And this is why representative Duncan Hunter has urgently. Urged the president to block this. Blocked this week's. I don't understand this at all I really don't. But then again. A lot of things I don't understand. Another development going on regarding mr. McCabe and drew McCabe the former FBI deputy director. The Justice Department's inspector general has referred its findings. I mr. McCain to the US attorney's office in Washington for possible criminal charges in the firing isn't the end of things for mr. McCabe. He's now been referred I'm for possible criminal charges associated with lying to internal investigators. Last week the IG issued a report finding the table lacked candor. On Forte should with the internal investigators when discussing the Wall Street Journal article. By the FBI's Clinton foundation investigation. In addition to the inspector general determined that McCabe was not authorized. To disclose the existence of the investigation. Because it was not within the department's public interest exception for disclosing ongoing investigations. So mr. McCabe could be in some legal trouble speaking of legal issues. We also have. They new addition to that trump legal team. Insurer Rudy Giuliani. Rudy Giuliani. He says he wants to make clear his role in the legal team will be limited. Told CNN this focus will be on interfacing. With special counsel Robert Mueller in his rusher probe and help bring everything to a conclusion. Saying it needs a little Porsche. So it sounds like he thinks he's going to expedite this process. That's been going on. My description of many long enough or even to law. And Giuliani you saved the day. Well stay tuned. We continue to broadcast 44 minutes after eleven. 1140 nines we have the final stretch. Of our Friday broadcast to give a greets and restful weekend plans. This weakens our fourth ranked. But glad to marked in Iraq killed good morning sir. Good morning and I enjoyed them listening on my way back from running in England for a forum. My elderly and surviving parent to this morning during during the program. And I want to say that this very thing when you're seeing is generational. Can investments and probably had undertow using the medical term. I'll just splitting them as split into American evangelicals and that we that tell your friend when you meet your personal illustrations. He's on the ball. Home to keep data. Can. Because I don't always Turkey's leaders sexist issue and. If nominated redeemed or gratified that had deep trauma and their wives and and I want it and suddenly told me perhaps. Net spiritual directors and things happen in my adolescence and rural small town. I do them all away from here. They have they have people only go a long distance saying no particular educational reform. How many penalties after a lot. I want to thank our rights while I appreciate your call thanks very much rock and mark joining us out of Iraq kill. Forgo wanted to tell you a sob story. And then something. More entertaining. Here's the sub story. Would you believe there's a new book out. And cracked me up. The author is Amy China's it. Has some revelations in rumors about a doomed campaign. No one in modern politics male or female has had to withstand more indignities setbacks and cynicism. She developed protective armor they meet the real Hillary Clinton in enigma. But if she was guarded about her feelings and opinion she believed it was and careful pursuit of a dream. For generations of Americans the election of the country's first woman president. That would have been. The New York Times story about Hillary Clinton's historic victory. That would've run under the headline madam president. Spread across six. Front page columns. According to reporter Amy China six new book chasing Hillary ten years to presidential campaigns. And run intact glass ceiling. Boy I can't wait to run out now and buy this book. She writes the Clinton Campaign which she covered from the beginning. Reacted furiously the prospect. Or Joseph Biden rock. It's food first. In an August 2015 Maureen Dowd times column then under reported story by chance in the book she writes. Buying can biting confided off the record. To the white house press corps he wanted to run but he added something like you guys to understand these people the clintons will try to destroy me throughout the book. Jurassic refers to her fellow journalists in the small. Pool that flew on the campaign plane as travelers. While referring to many Clinton staffers collectively as. McDyess. The guys. You know reserve time is just like us. Isn't wonderful. This again is another. Failed attempt. To redeem. Pour Hillary Clinton. They were never going to let me be president. Paul. My heart bleeds. Touchy feel sorry for the poor woman. How many people we're gonna write this nonsense. Don't concede to try to lionized this woman as a victim. She was she is a victim. You know who. Deep refrigerator is. It's in her own mirror. No one has done more damage to Hillary Clinton then. Hillary Clinton. In case. Forgive her. Leave your knee out comical note. This is pretty funny. This ought to happen every person who commits a crime like this. A criminal fleeing the police in Florida found himself a bit of a sticky situation. On Wednesday the Pasco county sheriff's office share video of suspect stuck to meet actually neck deep in a swamp. According to sheriff's office to suspect identified as Paul Andrew Smith. Got out of his vehicle and ran on foot when police officers tried to stop a speeding truck. He was one and on a case in Hernando Tony. After a short chase however the two deputies and police are chasing him found named stock knee deep in a swap. A video recorded by the canine handlers but a camera shows the dog knocked spreading mr. Smith in the swap. He was submerged up to his neck in thick mud. However what's surprised viewers. Mr. Smith's insistent the police do not handcuff him too tight. I don't Kerry is heard saying in the video and police officers warn him he would be taste for is non cooperation. Is me. This video is now been featured 38000 times on FaceBook. Collected hundreds of comments. I love how they don't want to handcuffs tight telling the police what to do after causing all that trouble writes one commoner. Wow world's dumbest criminal rights another one. By the way this guy faces charges of fleeing to elude. Aggravated assaults on law enforcement officer and violation of probation. Pretty sad. Up to his neck and in the swat. Does describe what's going on with a lot of politicians in Washington DC is well yeah we can forget about that over the weekend to enjoy yourself. Relax unplug. And so we're willing to rejoin you I'm not great here have been scoping radio program I'm so great weekend Jeb Bush to carry.